TLPTPWFOOB
February 7, 2008 | Filed Under State Politics, The Chaser
Written by The Shot
We have a slightly different name for the plan. We call it “The Leatherman Plan To Put Will Folks Out of Business.” Lets call it TLPTPWFOOB to save some time.Will wants everyone to think that Leatherman is putting a muzzle on all of Mark Sanford’s little groups. But in all actuality, the bill does nothing but make these groups file campaign disclosure forms, just like legislators have to. Free speech comes with responsibility and that responsibility is disclosure. Deal with it. Grow a set.
Today Will is just a little upset because he knows Luke Byars was right when he said “why is it that no one will admit to actually paying Will Folks for his advice? I guess there are some who are foolish enough to trust his judgment, but just smart enough to be embarrassed about it.”
The facts are simple. When these third party groups have to file, the connections between them and Sanford become too apparent and Will loses his bar money. Sad really…
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Dudes,
It’s TLPTPWFOOB, you ig-nrants. You got an extra “P” in there.
Public school education? Just sayin …
W
That picture always cracks us up because sic(k) willie with his head shaved looks so much like Beldar of Remulak. Check out our post on this latest scoop of kitty litter from willie over at sic(k) willie’s site”
http://www.fitsnews.com/2008/02/06/the-leatherman-regulation-of-speech-plan/#comments
if theres one thing we can learn from sic willie (and theres really only one thing besides not beating our significant others )bald IS NOT BEAUTIFUL
Very witty, but shouldn’t it be TLPTPWFOOB? What’s that second P for?
A better discussion on this Leatherman issue is at the Other Btook Brothers (link below)
http://otherbrooksbrother.wordpress.com/
Toomy
Thanks Frank. We fixed it.
Tommy - very well written argument. You say that the intent here is to shut down these groups. These legislators believe that by disclosing the donors, the well will dry up.
Here are my questions: why will the well dry up? If these people are so determined to push their agenda, and if they believe their agenda is the right course, why are they ashamed to have their name associated with that agenda?
Jake - thanks for the hit job on Will and __________, but we aren’t posting that crap.
Norm - that goes for you too. That’s Will’s business. We care more about what he’s doing now. But thanks for writing.
Hit list or no hit list, gubernatorial involvement or not, these kinds of regulation on free speech have been found violative of our First Amendment rights of free speech. The political class does not get to determine what everyone gets to say, or how, or where. Brooks Brothers and FITS are both right on this one - this is a bill Lenin and Stalin would’ve loved.
Or does the Shot suddenly appreciate and agree with McCain-Feingold? I would find that very difficult to believe…
McCain - Feingold puts limits on activity. This just makes those involved in the activity disclose. No one is stating that a person or group can’t say what they want to say.
If this is your argument, why are legislative campaign disclosure forms not a limit on a legislators free speech?
Follow the link - Mark Steyn on free speech. Starts at about 13:30.
THIS is where regulations on free speech wind up. I hate to remake the “slippery slope” argument, but clearly what Canada is doing to Steyn is the logical end of what Leatherman is trying to do here.
Josh - good you see you back.
Could it be that Leatherman just wants to know who is leaving the little pink pigs on people’s door steps.
No one is answering our question, so we direct it to you - If these people are so determined to push their agenda, and if they believe their agenda is the right course, why are they ashamed to have their name associated with that agenda?
Tim,
Good to be back.
My point is that’s the wrong question - that’s the talking point from the politicians trying to protect themselves rather than addressing the arguments made.
We have a constitutionally guaranteed right to free speech precisely because men like Thomas Paine wrote anonymously about the subjects of the day (see link in name). Those rights have been upheld by our Supreme Court as applying to persons or groups trying to persuade the public on a specific point of public policy - the 1964 case protected NAACP donors because their lives or livelihoods could reasonably be expected to be endangered by disclosure, and even if they weren’t, it’s their right to say what they will, whether you know who they are or not. (Or if you like what they say or not). Comes back to Voltaire’s old argument about vehemently disagreeing with what is said while defending to the death the right to say things (*see again Steyn’s commentary on Canadian thought police*).
It utterly shocks me that someone who makes his living as a blogger (and a conservative at that) would even begin to defend restrictions on free speech in the name of political expedience.
By the by, these restrictions Leatherman is trying to impose are similar to those portions of McCain-Feingold struck down in the Wisconsin Right to Life case last year, if memory serves…
One last thought - I don’t have a dog in this fight - I’m a free agent now. This isn’t about my employer (since I don’t currently have one), it’s about the principle itself.
JDG
thanks for making the edit, you dyslexic morons. and tell warren sic willie sez “bring it.” He knows what I mean.
Joshua, they didn’t hold your job open for you at the C4G?
It’s interesting that you have criticized McCain for the McCain-Feingold bill, but you support this bill even though it does the same thing. It’s not really surprising that you’re flip-flopping though consider you were helping Flip Romney.
G.L. - According to WIKI (the source of all knowledge on Earth), McCain-Feingold was created to address “The increased role of soft money in campaign financing, by prohibiting national political party committees from raising or spending any funds not subject to federal limits, even for state and local races or issue discussion.”
This bill does nothing similar. It simply makes these groups report their contributors.
Again, why are these people so scared to say who they are?
Josh - we’ll get back to you when we have more than 10 seconds to write.
Josh is always hopeful of getting another lazy ass job working for front groups. These guys make their living peddling influence and attempting to change public opinion for their rich masters.
Club for Growth is a sham…many of its largest donors have profited handsomely by its efforts.
Sunshine is the only way to go. Honorable men and women have nothing to hide.
Just a few points…
Thomas Paine wrote Common Sense BEFORE the constitution was written, and therefore the point is moot.
He also did not use a public corporation (with its rights, protections and privileges) to publish his work.
The NAACP is a 501c3, not a 501c4. The purposes are different, specifically that the 501c4 is DESIGNED to lobby government and/or influence public opinion.
The money collected in secret by high government officials can easily be converted for private benefit. It is important that the taxpaying public know who is the paymaster of their leaders. As of today, it is clear that Mark Sanford’s paymaster are out of state, rich people that send him millions of dollars to have their goals pursued.
I, for one, do not believe Sanford is working for me…but for his rich paymasters. He can change my mind by disclosing who has given him nearly 6 million dollars…and why.
If you’ve got something to say, blog it. If you’ve give money to a candidate though, a candidate who can turn around and give back to you once in office, the public needs to know about it.
Helping someone get elected is not free speech… Anyway, it won’t be too long till we get Hate laws from the federal government, so this legislation isn’t much of a threat to “rights” we won’t long have.
Will - for some reason your comments always go to our SPAM folder. Our apologies for not posting it until now. After all, you were the first to comment.
It’s good to know that you actually read our little blog. Do us a favor and try to stay out of our SPAM folder. And while you’re at it, shut the front door.
Will - just got your second post out of our SPAM folder. Our computer must be pretty smart to realize that the crap you are spewing is…well…
A bit insecure, are’nt cha?